In Or Out

[Wraith]

Have your say in our Brexit poll, or just vote quietly

[lexi]

I won't pretend to know anything about politics but does it really matter either way? Politics is all about money the day the politicians do anything for anyone other then themselves will be a day too late...

[TheBaron]

Just a thought but Cameron & Corbin want to stay in

Don't care how many nutters (Boris/Farage etc) want to leave if those 2 twats say stay we gotta get out

[Wraith]

Just a thought but Cameron & Corbin want to stay in

Don't care how many nutters (Boris/Farage etc) want to leave if those 2 twats say stay we gotta get out

not to mention , obama, merkel and junker, oh i just did

[Biscuits]

I was a nipper when Hull was a great fishing port. The Common Fisheries Policy has cost the UK 115,000 jobs in the fishing and associated trades so although we won't get all of these jobs back it will be great if we have control of UK waters again. We will never get back to those days but it would be nice to see a few trawlers in the docks again.

[Biscuits]

The North seas are virtually empty and would be totally empty20 years ago if the fisheries policy wasn't implemented

North Sea cod stocks are at their highest levels for around 15 years. Agree that we need to carefully manage the stocks in all Uk waters though.

[wanderer]

OUT.
I don't want our laws made by unelected faceless bureaucrats. We will still trade as we have done before. I can't imagine Germany not wanting to sell us millions of pounds worth of cars.

[royaldansk]

This is a tough one, there are advantages for staying in, trade and security reasons for example, but if we stay in we have to have more control back in London. We do need to stop handing over as much money to the union so we can focus on reducing our own deficit

[slowdown]

There is no way EU countries are going to put up trade barriers, they have more to lose by not selling to our 65 million consumer hungry population than we have by not buying as much from them.
We need free trade with EU, what we don't need and never originally signed up for was political interference, as one of the world's oldest democracies I am quite sure we can manage our own affairs.
One thing that I take as an insult is that our courts can be overuled by foreign judges, if our court system with it's many appeal stages cannot be deemed to make fair judgments then who can.

Cameron's scare mongering tactics pretty much sway my decision to vote out, for instance he was claiming that leaving the EU could result in the Calais "Jungle" inhabitants no longer being stopped by UK border officials in Calais but being allowed straight through to the UK and they would set up camp in Dover. Farage love him or hate him put it bluntly saying what a load of bollocks, the migrants would never set up camp in Dover they would vanish as soon as they got here.

The truth is out there.

[TheBaron]

Some of the arguments on here are BLX

These are the facts that matter;

The EU has never been able to ratify its accounts due to corruption.

Countries have been allowed in after manipulation of the economic figures
EG Greece Spain etc.

The Euro Commissioners are not elected but given the job by the separate
countries Goverments

The European Parliament is a glorified talk shop with meager powers
& a capacity to waste your money like running water.

Merkel & others including Blair Brown Cameron have allowed mass immigration
which has harmed all our economies & in our case put even more stress on
Health/education/housing etc.


There are others but all the spouting by the stay in merchants
will speak little about these things if at all.

Don't believe all they say eg when those businesses said in the letter to
the Times

We must stay in

most of them forgot to mention
they had extensive interests in Europe they were trying to protect.

Lastly more & more people in Europe are becoming radicalized against the
EU causing a rise of the Right Wing Fascist type parties (like France Germany & others) or Left wing nutter parties (Like Greece Spain etc).

We even have a Radical Right Wing party in Goverment here who for some stupid reason supports the EU.
Our beloved Opposition led by Leftist Labour want to stay in too IJits led by an Ijit.
Even the Scots Nationalists want to stay in that's a real Oxymoron.

Rant Over but trust me
I'm right & don't bother to Argue I wont change my Vote.
(that could be quote from the fuckwits Cameron Corbyn etc.)

[TheBaron]

By the way forget to mention the Yanks are sticking their 2 cents worth
in - Fook me they cant even organise a corner shop.

[Biscuits]

We all do one thing every dayGo out to make a living and if we leave the EU the value of the money In your pocket will be dramatically decreased

And with the newly admitted members who traditionally are paid very low wages in their own countries it makes perfect sense to move to the UK which depresses UK wages and increases unemployment for those born in the UK. So this is slowly happening anyway. We are also paying more taxes which has the same effect of reducing disposable income.

I don't have all of the answers unfortunately but nothing in the in/out debate is black and white, but the fact that the other EU members are desperate for us to remain suggests that they have more to lose by an out vote than we do in the UK.

With Turkey pressing for EU membership that will exacerbate the migration problem even more. We don't have the infrastructure in place to accommodate more foreign workers and it is already putting housing, schooling and policing under strain. The admission of the eastern European countries a few years ago was a big mistake.

[Biscuits]

The nhs would crash if you take migrant workers out Agriculture would be non existent

Even those supporting a Brexit are not refusing to employ migrants or want to keep all migrants out of the UK. The country would be able to control it better though and allow migrant workers in areas where they are needed and where we have labour shortages.

[Biscuits]

In the NHS a lot of the doctors are from arab countries or the indian sub-continent anyway. A lot of the nurses are from the Philippines. So much of the NHS is staffed by persons that are not from EU countries.

If workers are required in areas where we have shortages then we should staff them wherever and however we can. In a perfect world that would be using people born in the UK. Until education improves this will be a very slow process.

With an unsustainable world population and modern technology removing manpower from so many jobs we will never get back to full employment but we can try to make sure that most jobs go to UK born people and this will keep taxes low and wages relatively high.

It is not a quick fix though and will take many years to achieve.

[Biscuits]

Makes no difference in the UK There's no OEM's here anyway

Not any more unfortunately but we do have a good record for inventing new technology.

[Wraith]

This country would be on its arse without migrant workers
As the UK POPULUS is too fucking lazy to work on
Low paid jobs which is all they are qualified to do as today's education is remedial at best so all they do is as sponge off the state

The nhs would crash if you take migrant workers out

Agriculture would be non existent

And we'd all have dirty cars

What a load of rubbish.. your saying potatoes where never picked before migrants did the job?
Your saying the NHS was crashed before migrants came?
It's the people who put their own personal wallet size before what is right
who have sold this country down the river. Open door immigration to fuel cheaper and cheaper labour.
We are not only importing cheap labour we are importing cultures that have no intention to
integrate only to subvert.
If you base your vote purely on short term money gains your kids will pay the long term price for that.
Osbourne admitted he has watered the budget down so as not to push more people to vote out.
This means if we vote in we will have a mini budget to redress that.
After the referendum Turkey will be allowed to travel inside the EU this means that if Turkey in it's
benevolence gave all it's immigrants citizenship they will also have freedom of movement.
For me the vote has nothing to do with trade agreements but everything to do with our national
identity and way of life and our ability to make our own laws,
not having to support a failed European super state

[Biscuits]

If anyone is worried about the trading relationship with the EU if we leave, I would point out that Norway isn't a member of the EU but enjoys the same trading relationship as other EU members via its membership of the European Economic Area (EEA) because it is a member of the European Free Trade Association (EFTA) so the economic differences and trade tariffs can be ignored because we would become members of the EFTA and therefore part of the EEA. So no trade tariffs for dealing with the EU.

Technically every Norwegian is a millionaire because the Norwegian government has such a huge surplus because it didn't squander its North Sea Oil revenues as we have (it also helps that it has a small population). So again being out of the EU hasn't harmed Norway's trade in the slightest.

So taking cross border trade out of the in/out argument and we are left with the hundreds of other very good reasons why we should be out.

[Garyb]

My gut says out....

.....But i have a 20 year insurance policy maturing just after the referendum which is linked to stock and share prices. So inevitably prices will fall if we vote out so my policy may lose loads!!

My gut still says out.

[big al]

I'm in

[LordLuken]

If everyone is so keen to be in and have the UK dictated to by the mindless oafs in Brussels who have no interest in this country or it's people why don't we just go the whole hog, sack off Westminister altogether and save some money!

[TheBaron]

the only arguments I have seen for leaving

read mine

[TheBaron]

It's about time someone
Comes out with a definitive
In...the effects on your pocket is...
Out... The effects on your pocket is ...

but the problem is they will probably be bullshitting (both sides)

[sophie]

Out, plain and simple , and send those that are here that shouldn't,t be out as well,

[Wraith]

So before you start laying accusation maybe a little look
At the other side to balance your unilateral assessment.

Not sure what your on about there i have no accusations to make
and my opinion may in your eyes be unilateral.
All that's really missing from yours is the word untermench to describe British workers.

[Yorks83]

I'm voting leave, mainly because I dislike free movement of people (for a different reason to many), I don't like fourth-rate numpty European politicians having a large say in the way the country is run (I'd rather our own third-rate lot had more power), and I'm entirely confident in this country's ability to exist outside the EU.

And I'm not entirely sure I can think of a single benefit I personally get from being in the EU, that I would lose if we left.